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Glenn M Pape's avatar

This interview is incredibly powerful. Dani’s testimony is raw, moral, deeply human. I’m grateful she shared it. Dani’s willingness to show up — literally in pajamas — to speak from lived fear, love for her children, and a sense of social conscience is something I hope Worcester takes seriously and honors.

Reflecting on this months later, I’m also struck by a sense of loss — the feeling that what happened on Eureka Street was a missed opportunity for our community to come together and learn. Several things can be true at once, and I don’t think we’ve done a good job of holding them together, yet.

The protesters acted unlawfully — blocking traffic, interfering with ICE, and physically confronting police — AND they also acted instinctively, from a place of moral outrage that was heartfelt and recognizably human. The police had a real obligation to keep the peace, even if doing so indirectly assisted ICE, and at the same time could have shown greater skill in de-escalation and public explanation. The situation was chaotic, emotionally charged, out of control. All of these truths matter.

What I wish we had seen next was a collective pause: city leaders, police, protesters, and residents acknowledging the fear, the outrage, the duty, and the limits of each role — including the fact that these circumstances were imposed on Worcester from outside — and then asking, together, how WE might do better next time. Because in the end, this is our community, our police, and our city leaders. Instead, we allowed ourselves to be divided into camps, each convinced the other was acting in bad faith.

Dani warns us against that division. She speaks powerfully in the language of resistance and solidarity, and that voice is necessary. But so is a language of civic repair — one that helps a city integrate moral action against injustice with institutional responsibility, the rule of law -- and its spirit of justice -- rather than letting these forces tear past one another. I worry that by not engaging in a shared reflection, Worcester lost a chance to deepen trust and civic maturity, solidarity. Perhaps there is still time for that reflection before the upcoming trials in February.

I appreciate Worcester Sucks for publishing conversations like this. This interview doesn’t just provoke; it asks whether we are capable, as a city, of holding complexity without breaking into camps.

Bill Shaner's avatar

I don't know why you have to insist every chance you get on here that the "protestors" acted "unlawfully" while never considering whether ICE was acting unlawfully, the stronger claim. It's strange and suspect. And I'd also ask you to interrogate where you got the impression protestors blocked traffic or physically confronted the police. Both of those are propaganda talking points at odds with the reality on the ground. Those points have been hammered into the brains of the majority of the public by people who have absolutely no interest in finding common ground (whatever that means) who don't listen and don't have to and don't care. You've allowed yourself to be lied to if you accept those things as fact. Thanks for reading tho

Glenn M Pape's avatar

I appreciate you engaging, and I want to respond in good faith.

First, I’m not saying that ICE was acting lawfully, certainly not morally — I agree that’s a serious and contested question, and arguably the more important one. My comment wasn’t meant to grant ICE legitimacy. It was meant to describe how the City and local police understood their immediate obligations to keep the peace in a chaotic moment. That distinction matters for governance even when the underlying federal action is morally or legally suspect.

Second, on the facts: my understanding about traffic obstruction and physical contact comes from a mix of public reporting, video clips, and city statements. I fully accept those sources might be incomplete, biased, or wrong — and I’m open to being corrected. If my description doesn’t match what you or others witnessed on the ground, that’s important, and I don’t dismiss it.

I also want to be clear that I deeply respect and applaud the protesters’ moral claims. The outrage, fear, and solidarity that brought people into the street were real, human, and justified. My concern isn’t with moral urgency, but with how quickly we moved into mutually exclusive narratives afterward — where questioning any part of one account is read as bad faith.

That dynamic makes it almost impossible for a community to slow down and ask harder questions together: about ICE’s authority, about police discretion, about protest, and about how Worcester wants to respond next time.

If I got facts wrong, I want to know. If my framing landed as suspect to you, I regret that. I’m trying — imperfectly — to hold space for moral urgency AND civic reflection at the same time. That’s the conversation I hoped to invite.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.